Let me be honest with you. 80% – 90% members of Warrior Forum fail to get traffic to their website – whether via search engine or Facebook. And because of that, they fail to make the money. It’s that simple. They still become slave to their boss. That’s why, when someone asked what is the fastest way to make $1000 per month in 2016, nobody can give direct answer. As a matter of fact, they were trapped at Warrior Forum exactly because they want to get traffic. They will keep selling one Warrior Special Offer (WSO) from one time to another. If they stop creating a new product, their income would stop as well. It’s the same as someone who stop working at office but then still doesn’t have additional income stream. This is the reality of 90% WSO sellers.
They could be selling, for instance, done for you Amazon review sites. But in the end, they only assume the website will work for their customers based on whatever methods they’ve learned in other places. If you fail to make the money, they don’t care. Heck, lots of Warriors were banned from that forum already because they leave bad complaints to WSO sellers.
Let me dissect that:
1. The seller will tell you that he will design the website for you. Complete with let say WordPress theme, star rating, video etc.
2. He will claim in the thread that the niche is profitable.
3. Then, you will pay him $47.
4. In the end, the website fail to convert because it was targeting the wrong keywords on Google. It’s that simple.
Now, the seller Wolfmmiii in that link above actually claim that no backlinks required. Being a launch jacker and making tons of money with SEO myself (on average $1000 – $3000 per month with SEO), I can tell that statement is nothing more than hype, or should I say lie. Yes, while you could be getting traffic to your website without backlinks, most of profitable product name keywords on Amazon already being dominated by companies and super affiliates with their own backlink network or at least started building backlinks.
OK, I’m going to answer some questions here:
1. I saw positive reviews in that thread. Why is it a scam then?
Actually, getting that kind of reviews is super easy. The most common method is to use the Warrior – Members Looking To Hire section and then hire fellow Warriors to leave fake reviews. Screenshot below proves that. Sometimes, previous customers are also required to leave fake reviews in exchange for refund. For details, you can read real Wolfmii customer experience in this blog. Other than that, they can also hire anyone for cheap at upwork.com.
2. Azlan, why are you targeting this Wolfmmiii guy?
Simple: Because he enjoyed bashing my Amazon website but at the same time he fail to proof that he is making a killing with Amazon. I suspected that at least 50% of those in that thread are scammer wannabe based on their number of posts and they also registered at WF without using their real name – in other words, if you view thread, you will realize that their WF usernames are weird and of course nobody will have that kind of name in their national ID.
Not to mention that I actually asked the same question in the conversion rate section, but none of the conversion experts came and answer, despite the same thread title received much more views at conversion rate section, rather than main discussion. See it for yourself:
From this, I can conclude that my website doesn’t necessarily as bad as being described by those s***kers in terms of conversion, since honest conversion experts who want to help others are actually spending more time at conversion rate/SEO sections rather than Main Discussion section. Yes, I’ve been browsing various sections for years that I can detect experienced Warriors and newbies faster than Kaspersky can even detect a virus. Experienced SEOers, for example will usually hang around at SEO section. Newbies wouldn’t even bother giving their naive opinion there otherwise SEO experts will bash their posts. Scammers and con artists will hang around in Main Discussion, WSO and Off Topic section a lot.
If you look at their previous profiles, and the threads started by them, it is clear that they actually came to WF as web designers and writers, and not SEO experts or anything. Yes, they are very active only at WSO section – most of their posts in that forum are just about answering customers’ questions. That’s why they can’t stand the design. In case you haven’t notice, they never talk about how to get traffic, the right keywords to target, etc. I don’t even know what was my mistakes to them – I just need help there. It’s not like I am there to offense anyone and let alone scam anyone. But they keep talking trash on me.
There is also a Warrior with username Kilgore, yes I remember him clearly just like I can remember my Gmail password because he put that white, tombstone like avatar in WF username. He seems to enjoy bashing/teaching a newbie who expected to make serious income from Amazon. That is actually in other thread. But as you can see I also work on my Amazon website, just like being adviced by him, based on several Amazon courses I’ve bought from fellow Warriors and then he also joined the suckers in the thread mentioned above started by me.
Also, while they keep telling me to hire expensive authors, in the end, they fail to tell me where can I hire real authors for that website. There’s so many freelancing sites on the net and from my experience, I can tell that just because the freelancers are expensive, they are not necessarily capable. Some of the freelancing sites offer expert authors at reasonable price, some offer crap at even higher price. Before starting that thread, I’ve hired freelancers at several places:
1. Warrior For Hire section (not happy – need to pay very high, but still low quality content).
2. Warrior Special Offer section – I even buy ready made websites like being mentioned above from other sellers, it cost me $127, but still I couldn’t make the money. Crappy content as well.
3. iWriter – Decent result most of the time, but people in that thread didn’t happy at all with the content.
4. Upwork.com (formerly oDesk). – Too many authors, some good, some crap. Excellent authors usually will never respond to my request. Only crappy ones did. That’s why 90% of the time, I only used upwork.com to get hand written content for backlinks.
For your information, that domain name was making me money, back in 2011 – around $100 or so. I’ve built backlinks to it, and that’s why it has PR2. But, I want to focus more in launch jacking back then since it is more profitable and still it is.
After getting that awful feedback at Warrior Forum, I realize that folks in there is not that friendly. And I NEVER ever trust any WSO seller anymore. That’s why, whenever someone asked what to do with $500, I warned him not to show off in public like that because the reality in WF is not a good as you might imagine.
Let me advice to you – never ask for website reviews at public forums like that. Just find any marketers that you can trust in your country to do the dirty job.
3. Do this Wolfmmiii guy make money with Amazon or Adsense then?
I don’t know, but let assume he was. Anyone who claim to make that kind of sites at WF actually do make money with Amazon, Adsense or anything which are targeting beginners. However, does it consistent? Well, no. In fact, he could be making just $1000 or something, and then he started that kind of service at Warrior Forum and then start telling the world that making money with Amazon is the best way to do blah, blah, blah, you name it. Otherwise, why would he spend time creating websites for someone else, when he can use the time to create those for himself? In case you didn’t know, WSO sellers are required to pay $20 for their thread to be published and additional $20 if they want to maintain the traffic, that is by bumping the thread. So, why pay that kind of money, just to design a $47 website?
In 99% cases, sellers who made these kind of sites are actually fail to get targeted traffic from Google to their Amazon Associate sites because of Google updates – Panda, Penguin, Hummingbird you name it.
As a matter of fact, I can also sell a WSO teaching others on how to make money with launch jacking method, but why would I pay $20 for WSO and then sell it for $47 while my launch jacking secret is making me around $30 – $250 per day? There is no way I am letting random person outside from my home country to steal my income stream.
4. Some WSO sellers presented with courses on how to make money with list building, etc. Will it work?
I would stay away from all type of WSOs. In fact, I’ve purchased around 7 WSOs which was priced around $5 – $500. Yes, I’ve purchased 2 WSOs at that $500 price, but the end, the seller fail to support me. And in case you are new to IM, getting support is extremely important. Most of the content are nothing more than theory. This reminds me of the infamous data entry scam, back in 2006 or something. If you’ve heard about this scam before, you should know it. The process is quite simple:
1. You found the data entry website via Google or other sources. Probably the affiliates of the data entry companies are sending you the email.
2. You purchased the so call money making from home manual.
3. And then, you simply resell the manual back on Google Adwords.
In reality, the data entry company never implement the tactics taught inside it. WF used to be a place to sell such crap before, such as private label rights (PLR) products.
The same goes for 90% crap on Warrior Forum. I noticed that lots of WSO being sold based on theory only. The sellers actually rehashed the information from experts blogs or perhaps other MMO courses and then repackage like the product is his own. In theory, they never implemented the tactics taught inside it, at least until their income is consistent. I found that great products actually being sold outside the WSO section.
5. Can you really make money with Amazon Associate?
Yes, you can. But it is not recommended. Here’s why: The profit margin is very low and just not worth your time, money and effort. If you want to make real income with Amazon, focus on selling physical products via their FBA program. Forget being an affiliate. As the time goes by, let say 7 years or something, you will realize that making money with affiliate marketing is actually just a guru method to sell you something about making money online. Can anyone make serious income with affiliate marketing? Yes, he can. But still, you need to focus on products which pay commission for lifetime, rather than one time sale.
6. What about solo ads? Can I trust solo sellers on WF?
The answer is: Dump them all. I never had good luck buying any solos at WF or other places. However, if you still into solo ads, you can check this website: solochecker.com. This site allows the buyers to leave reviews and rating about the seller, which eliminates the potential of getting scammed.
7. Should I hire any freelancer at Warrior Forum?
The answer is NO. Like being mentioned, I hired a few of them and not happy with the service. If you are looking for a safe place to hire experts, Guru.com and Textbroker.com are much better than Warrior Forum. For content spinning, let say you need hand written content for backlinks, you can hire writers from Philipines or India at Upwork.com. For simple graphic design, there’s fiverr.com.
8. I don’t want to get scammed by this Wolfmmiii guy. How can I avoid that?
I actually noticed that Wolfmmiii already a member of Black Hat World. Be careful with him. Just Google Wolfmmiii or Wolf Web Marketing and you can see some negative reviews about him. Wolf Web Marketing also handle Facebook PPC campaigns, but I doubt that you will get good ROI with Facebook Ads even if you hire them. Just like the Amazon website thing, I don’t think that you can make money with Wolfmmiii services.
9. Most buyers don’t ask for refund. Is it a bad product?
As for WSO, usually they are not sold via safe networks such as Clickbank. Therefore, it will be hard to request refund. And even if you did, you might get banned from the forum. Plus, most newbies have the kind of mindset that the product should be working one day, so there’s no need to refund or anything. And this is the problem.
10. Azlan, why are posting this in your own blog instead of that thread?
Let me ask you this – if spammers sell your email address to third party, can you stop from receiving spams? Of course not. The same goes for that thread. While I can defend myself in that thread, and those who bashed me before might leave, but then new con artists wannabe will chime in and then bash again and again. It’s not like I am coward or anything. It’s just defending myself in that thread will be a complete waste of time. Not to mention, if I bashed others’ WSO in that thread, just like I did in this blog, I might get banned from that forum.
11. Should I use any ready made websites sold elsewhere?
Let me tell you. Ready made websites like those whether being sold by Wolfmii or others are just awful. The creator himself never test those site with traffic, whether with SEO or PPC, but then they sold the websites to others instead. That’s just cheating. We affiliate marketers are not yet millionaires. We started from scratch and then wanted to make money with little budget. If we have budget around $20K or something, we would be become a merchant already. It reminds me to turnkey feeder sites which was provided by Kyle and Carson at Wealthy Affiliate. I doubt that anyone would be making money with those ready made websites.
See also: Warrior Forum vs Black Hat World
And also this thread on Black Hat World.